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Couldn't have said it better myself. As my friend puts it, we must reclaim our humanity from those who would stipulate it into their dogma.
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DarkShane2000 Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2016
I disagree!
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree!
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Denny-The-Punk Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
So many homophobic comments on here... XD
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2014
Who gave anyone the right over others concerning relationship with others? Who gave anyone 

Or ownership of their bodies?
Or gender roles in society?
Or belief or absence there-of?
Or what they should or should not learn?

When you think about it, and break down their reasons to their fundamental components, one'll realize that ultimately, no one has the right to define what is right and wrong for others. This is something everyone has equal rights to decide for themselves.

Yet throughout history, there are always people who would stomp on the freedom of others, backing their beliefs with with faith or some abstract ideals. Which they always self-righteously force down people's throats, whether by abusing the law, or a gun at the back of people's heads.

It has to stop. One way, or another, it will stop. 
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner May 1, 2013  Professional Artist
Simon Jenkins needs to be slapped, he's stupid and does not know what he is talking about.
Humans were put on Earth by God and we HAVE to acknowledge Him and His laws.
The Bible TELLS oh so clearly what is right in a relationship, and he guess what, if you follow it, EVERYTHING works out incredibly in life.
Fact is is that you cannot reclaim your humanity as it's a gift, a blessing, you're supposed to use it wisely not prance about making yourself look unfortunate and wearing near-rainbow banners which wont get you into Heaven, wont give you a normal life and wont fill the hole in your heart.
Remember, God made humanity and he can take it away faster then you can blink. People need to get off this humanity needy horse, they're only digging their own hole. This Simon is just appeasing the homosexuals, kind of like blowing yourself up to appease the terrorists.
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FlyingEchoCat Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
"God" also said no haircuts, no divorce, supported slavery, and stoning non-virgins. I wonder which is worse, loving somebody (which is completely out of your control) or supporting a book that says these things and hating people for who they love.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2016  Professional Artist
Did He really?
Are those the exact commands, or just close enough to them ones you've heard through hearsay.
Get your facts right.
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FlyingEchoCat Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

"You shall not shave around the sides of your head, nor shall you disfigure the edges of your beard" (Leviticus 19:27)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,(Exodus 21:16)

Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from [her] husband committeth adultery.(Luke 16:18)

Also, in my previous reply I forgot to mention having rape victims get married to their rapist and unable to divorce:
28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.(Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Professional Artist
OK.
OK.
OK.
OK.

And the relevance toward my article is..?
Two sins make forgiveness or it's OK because other people the wrong thing..?
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FlyingEchoCat Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You asked for the exact quotes and I gave them to you
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner May 1, 2016  Professional Artist
I regret asking.
I went off topic.
My mistake.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But aren't good Christians supposed to be open-minded, compassionate, and accepting?
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Professional Artist
Almost.
We're supposed to be selfless, generous, good of spirit, helpful, positive and kind to all.

These are similar to being the same thing.

But open minded is not one of them.
We know the truth and must stick to it, even if we lose friends.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You just listed everything the lgbt community values plus open mindedness. If your God loves all people, what dose that make us to you, potatoes? We're people too. We need air to breath, food to exist, and love to truly live. To say that we aren't people all, well, that's just flat out lying. We display selflessness, generosity, good spirit, helpfulness, positiveness and are kind to all every day. And display one more. open mindedness.

We're not robots.

We don't live for sex.

We're not afraid to be ourselves.

We're not confused.

And we're tired of people telling us we are.

And we're not afraid to loose friends either.
It hurts to loose a friend. A lot.

But that's something we all understand, all respect.

We respect other values, too.


Welcome to 2015.

The year of love and equality.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Professional Artist
Yes.
True.
And so on.

Um. No.
You don't speak for the whole LGBT community.
And those traits are common to uncommon to non existent.
Mostly spiteful, bias, territorial, bigoted, in denial, rude, arrogant and bullying.
Fact.

You shouldn't be afraid of losing friends.
You should concern for your friends who lose you. It's not all about you all.

Rarely.

Yes, love (which is not something that belongs to you to preach, so leave it alone, it's embarrassing).
And as for equality, it's not even. Not even close to that word. Not even the right word. It's offensive to even use it.

Disgraceful.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Mostly spiteful, bias, territorial, bigoted, in denial, rude, arrogant and bullying."


Nice job describing yourself.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Professional Artist
I really wasn't.

Fail.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Heads up, but the comment above kind of makes you sound like a 10 year old...
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TehTadpoleJackson Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
"If you follow it, EVERYTHING works out incredibly in life."
Oh really? I suppose these people are just terrible sinners then.
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oblivionartcraft132 Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014
they not abusing god's creation, they just choosing how to live, bestiality is definitely a sin no doubt, everyone should agree me on this one, if you're curious why im bring in man on animal intercourse here i'm just making a example. If it offensives to you. I apologize. Plus i hate metrosexuals(this is how it spelled not heterosexuals) who dress themselves in clothes that just disgust me, you know the phrase "clothes say a lot about you" what happens this man is wearing mesh shirts and wearing shorts, shorter than any clothes i had ever seen, what does that say about you?
getting back on topic, AngelsOfEmpathy, after all, god is can see all and sees your soul, so why not show your true self(not through clothing) but through relationships, so why not show your true self? you can hate homosexuals for all i care, but at the very least, respect the decisions of others. Your the type of people are the reason atheism exist, what kind of person would be in a religion you can't even express your true self?  
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Denny-The-Punk Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Your religious shit makes me laugh my ass off
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Professional Artist
I hope it makes you feel good about yourself. :)
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Denny-The-Punk Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You disgust me
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2014  Professional Artist
Lovely. :)
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Denny-The-Punk Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Homophobic rabid christian asshole
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Professional Artist
Biggoted intollerant heterophobic hater.
:D
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Denny-The-Punk Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Are you Butthurt, eh? :iconbutthurtplz:

I am not a bigoted heterophobe~

It is just you being an Intollerant asshole who are flaming on gays 

Do you want me to respect you or something??
Sadly no.
Respect isn't something that I do to idiots like you

and what happened to " Love Thy Neighbour As You Love Thyself " ?
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SweetestSnow Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2014  Student General Artist
Fuck you.
People's marriage is NONE of your buisness
If you trying to force your religion on others, and make laws based off what it says, then YOU are the problem.
Love is LOVE, trying to restrict it makes you look like a crazy hate filled bigot.

You're going to hell, since you're not accepting of others, and since you can't even love they neighbor.
You're just as bad as being racist.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2014  Professional Artist
None of my business..?
Marriage is a blanket constitution. And i am UNDER it, like everyone else.
You change marriage, it affects EVERYONE under the blanket.
Go to hell with your hypocritical bigotry.
You are intolerant of marriage and its institution, you'd rather change IT then yourself. Selfish.
You cannot say where i am going. But your intolerant bigotry is certainly narrowing the road your running down.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So, scenario, okay? Your sister/brother gets married. Do you tell them how to run THEIR marriage? Yeah, no.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2015  Professional Artist
Ah, no.
Which is what i haven't done.

Instead i pointed out it's not REAL marriage.

Differences.
You know?.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is so fucking funny oh my god-
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Professional Artist
Well laugh then.
It's not like you have anything constructive or interesting to say on the matter.

Ahahaha.
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GreenlandandSweden Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This conversation isn't even about sexuality anymore, is it. It just kind of feels like a logic war in which you are losing horribly.

Here's a tip:

·Open up to knew ideas

·Stop living in 1738

·Accept other viewpoints

·AND MOTHER OF *YMIR, IT'S THEIR LIFE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SUPPORT THEM, BUT JUST LEVER THE LGBT COMMUNITY ALONE. LET PEOPLE FEEL HOW THEY WANT FEEL, LOVE WHO THEY WANT TO LOVE, AND NEVER PRODUCE OFFSPRING, BECAUSE IF THEY TURN OUT LIKE YOU, I'M MOVING BACK TO SWEDEN.
YEAH.
SWEDEN.




Ahahaha.










have nice day.














*Ymir: old Norse god and giant. It's believed when he died, maggots hollowed out his massive body and made Midgard,or earth. The maggots soon evolved into dwarves, due to living under the new earth. Also believed to be the distant relative of all gods.

(Yeah I don't believe in your god. I believe in many.)

((Great, now you're going to force some religion on me. It's people like you who are the reason I believe in norse mythology.))
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JaniceTheFurry Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
this made me laugh so fucking hard oh my god
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2013
Holy fuck, who gave the caveman Internet? Go back to your wall drawings, Gurpgork.
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:iconthe-last-sea-serpent:
Please don't use caveman as an insult. Think of all that your Stone Age ancestors accomplished.
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2014
No. 
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theubbergeek2 Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013
The Bible said so. But maybe it's not the right religion (well, source of). maybe it's the Quran and Islam. Maybe the Sutra and Buddha. Or none is real.

See the issues?

You let dogmas cloud what is right for all.

God if he is real AND good, do not care for such trivial details, like sexual orientations.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2013  Professional Artist
You are not God and therefore you cannot speak for him unless you a prophet or speaking the Word to others.
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So what gives YOU authority to tell us about God?
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Feb 21, 2014  Professional Artist
Um.. God..
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:iconthe-last-sea-serpent:
So why exactly does an all-powerful being depend on people like you to tell an entire race his decrees? If God is truly omnipotent, why not just tell ALL humans DIRECTLEY and avoid all the uncertainty and mistranslation?
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2014  Professional Artist
He doesn't. People tell because they WANT to share the Word and their testimony's of healing and salvation. God has made all his decrees clear. If man didn't write it down, who would, horses?.
He did tell directly, made it abundantly clear.
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The Bible is NOT a direct source. Even if the original stories were, they have now been translated and rewritten too many times to have any shred of credibility. And again, what evidence is there that the Bible is the word of God? If it truly was of divine origin, then why is it obviously mistaken on so many scientific facts?
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theubbergeek2 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2013
And so your priestly types.

Religion is a link between the you and God, so in theory, as Boddhidarma shown, everyone can touch the Truth.

Beside, and thkfully, God is not nedded actually for right and wrong, moral and ethic.

Homophobia is wrong and unethic.
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AngelsOfEmpathy Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Professional Artist
Homophobia is a lie, no one is afraid of homosexuals so it's already a null word.
Clearly you know religion but you don't know what's right.
The truth. Jesus is the truth, the way and the life. All other religions rant about reaching the truth when one man IS the truth, if you want to reach the truth, just ask Jesus into your life. it's easier then breathing and doesn't take a whole breath.
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theubbergeek2 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013
Homephobia is actually not a bad word, as it all boils down to 'OH NO, THE EVEEEL GAYYYYYYY'.

The Truth is, this is just a bullshit Appeal to Authorit.
Droning on 'God said so'.
If God is ready to send a whole group of peoples who can have TRue Love as much as others just because of 'they are the ghey sodomites',, it's evil.

YOU do not know what's right and wrong.

And beside, why Jesus IS the truth, why not Muhammed, Buddha, none?
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DarkSideDuck Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
That's one of many reasons why I am atheist: many diferent religons, all saying the same, that they are right, and the others are wrong, not to speak about the flaws that arguments for believing in any god have, If you wwant some exaples, here are they:

The claim: The Bible says that God exists. The Bible is the inspired word of God, therefore whatever it says must be true.

The flaw: Circularity. God exists because the Bible says so, and we should trust the Bible because it is the word of God. This argument assumes the very thing (God) we are trying to prove. The same argument and logic can be used for any text that is considered revelatory--the Quran, the Torah, the Book of Mormon, or anything else.

The claim: The presence of miracles points to a supernatural force or god; miracles do occur, therefore there is a supernatural force or god

The flaw: The fact that miracles exist does not prove that they were caused by God (they could have been caused by an ancestor spirit). Thus this argument commits the fallacy of begging the question--it assumes that which is to be proven.


Separately, it is impossible to prove that miracles occur because in order to prove that an event occurs, you must use the laws of nature, but miracles by definition are violations of the laws of nature.


Source: hubpages.com/hub/Proofs-for-th…

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devALLjapan Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
100% support this:rose:
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